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1、www.XiYuS锡育软件So Im going to talk about trust,and Im going to start byreminding you of the standard views that people have abouttrust.我今天要讲的是信任。一开始,我要先向你们交代一下,人们对信任的基本观点。00:12I think these are so commonplace,theyve become clich?sof our society.我觉得这些观点都很司空见惯,在现实社会已经变成陈词滥调了。00:20And I think there are t

2、hree.我想一共有这样三点。00:25Ones a claim:there has been a great decline in trust,verywidely believed.第一点是主张:信任感已经大幅地降低了。这已经是有广泛共识的。00:27The second is an aim:we should have more trust.第二点是目的:我们应该有更多的信任感。00:33And the third is a task:we should rebuild trust.第三点是任务:我们应该重建信任感。00:38I think that the claim,the aim

3、and the task are allmisconceived.我觉得人们对这个主张、目的和任务 都有错误的认识。00:43So what Im going to try to tell you today is a different storyabout a claim,an aim and a task which I think give one quitea lot better purchase on the matter.所以我今天要跟你们说的是 跟这种主张、目的和任务有所不同的观点。我想让你们更好地理解信任。00:50First the claim:Why do people

4、 think trust has declined?首先是主张:为什么人们认为信任感在降低呢？01:01And if I really think about it on the basis of my ownevidence,I dont know the answer.如果我在现有证据的基础上考虑,我真的不知道答案是什么。01:06reminding:n.提醒注意/v.提醒;使联想起(remind的ing形式)misconceived:adj.设想错误的/v.误解(misconceive的过去式和过去分词形式)declined:v.下降;拒绝;衰退(decline的过去分词)/n.下降的;

5、被拒绝的 on the basis of:根据;基于Im inclined to think it may have declined in some activitiesor some institutions and it might have grown in others.我倾向于认为信任感确实是有降低,但那是在某些活动中,或者在某些机构里。而在其他的方面也许是增加的。01:11I dont have an overview.我没法一概而论。01:20But,of course,I can look at the opinion polls,and the opinionpolls a

6、re supposedly the source of a belief that trust hasdeclined.但当然了,我可以去看看民意调查,民意调查应该是觉得信任感在降低的出处。01:22When you actually look at opinion polls across time,theresnot much evidence for that.但当你真的去看看不同时间的民意调查的话,其实没有多少证据支持这个观点。01:33Thats to say,the people who were mistrusted 20 years ago,principally journa

7、lists and politicians,are still mistrusted.也就是说,那些 在20年前就不被相信的人 主要是记者和政客,现在仍不被信任。01:39And the people who were highly trusted 20 years ago arestill rather highly trusted:judges,nurses.而20年前就被高度信任的人,比如法官和护士,现在仍得到高度的信任。01:47The rest of us are in between,and by the way,the averageperson in the street is

8、 almost exactly midway.剩下的人就是居中了。顺便说一下,在社会上这些居中的人,差不多就是完全居中。01:54But is that good evidence?但是这个证据说得过去吗？02:01What opinion polls record is,of course,opinions.民意调查记录的当然就是一些人们的观点。02:03inclined:adj.趋向于的/v.使倾向(incline的过去分词)overview:n.图情综述;概观 polls:n.民意调查;投票;投票模块(poll的复数形式)/v.对进行民意测验,使投票(poll的单三形式)mistrust

9、ed:vt.不信任;怀疑/vi.不信任;怀疑/n.不信任;怀疑principally:adv.主要地;大部分 journalists:n.新闻记者(journalist的复数)What else can they record?要不然民意调查能记录什么？02:08So theyre looking at the generic attitudes that peoplereport when you ask them certain questions.不过就是一些普遍的态度。你问他们什么,他们就说什么。02:09Do you trust politicians?Do you trust te

10、achers?你信任政客吗？信任老师吗？02:16Now if somebody said to you,Do you trust greengrocers?如果有人问你,“你信任蔬菜商吗？”02:20Do you trust fishmongers?你信任卖鱼的吗？02:24Do you trust elementary school teachers?你信任小学老师吗？02:26you would probably begin by saying,To do what?你可能会问,“信任他们去做什么？”02:28And that would be a perfectly sensible

11、response.这是一个非常明智的反问。02:32TED演讲者：Onora O.Neill|Onora O.Neill演讲标题：What we don.t understand about trust|我们误解“信任”内容概要：Trust is on the decline,and we need to rebuild it.That.s a commonly heardsuggestion for making a better world but,says philosopher Onora O.Neill,we don.t reallyunderstand what we.re sug

12、gesting.She flips the question,showing us that our three mostcommon ideas about trust are actually misdirected.(Filmed at TEDxHousesofParliament.)信任感在降低，我们需要重建信任。这是我们为了建设一个更美好的社会经常听到的提议。但是，哲学家奥诺拉?奥尼尔说，我们并不真正理解我们在建议什么。她逐个分析这些问题，告诉我们对于信任的最普遍的三个观点其实是有误导性的。（摄于TEDx 议会院）And you might say,when you understo

13、od the answer to that,Well,I trust some of them,but not others.当你明白问题到底是什么,你会说,“嗯。我相信一些人,不相信另一些人。”02:35Thats a perfectly rational thing.非常理性的回答。02:44In short,in our real lives,we seek to place trust in adifferentiated way.简而言之,在我们现实生活中,我们以不同的方式来寻求信任。02:46We dont make an assumption that the level of

14、trust that wewill have in every instance of a certain type of official oroffice-holder or type of person is going to be uniform.我们不对信任感的程度做假设。我们会对特定类型进行具体分析。那些公务员,官员之类的人,会被类型化。02:52generic:adj.类的;一般的;属的;非商标的 attitudes:n.态度,看法(attitude复数)fishmongers:n.鱼贩;鱼商 elementaryschool:小学 differentiated:adj.分化型;

15、已分化的;可区分的/v.使有差别(differentiate的过去分词)I might,for example,say that I certainly trust a certainelementary school teacher I know to teach the reception classto read,but in no way to drive the school minibus.比如说,我会说我当然相信 一个我知道的小学老师会教会学生怎么阅读。但是我不相信她可以开校车。03:05I might,after all,know that she wasnt a good d

16、river.也许最终我知道她确实不是个好司机。03:18I might trust my most loquacious friend to keep aconversation going but not-but perhaps not to keep asecret.我也许相信我那爱喝酒的朋友 是个聊天的好伙伴。但我不会相信他是个守得住秘密的人。03:21Simple.就这么简单。03:36So if weve got those evidence in our ordinary lives of the waythat trust is differentiated,why do we

17、sort of drop all thatintelligence when we think about trust more abstractly?在日常生活中我们有了这样的证据,说信任感是有区分的,那么为什么民意调查时我们一下子糊涂了,把信任感想得更概念化了呢？03:37I think the polls are very bad guides to the level of trust thatactually exists,because they try to obliterate the goodjudgment that goes into placing trust.我觉得民

18、意调查是个很差劲的 衡量信任感是否存在的依据。因为它抹杀了人们良好的判断力。对考虑信任感的判断力。03:51Secondly,what about the aim?第二,那个目的是怎么回事儿呢？04:04The aim is to have more trust.目的是我们需要更多的信任感。04:06Well frankly,I think thats a stupid aim.坦白说,我觉得这个目的挺可笑的。04:09Its not what I would aim at.这不是我想的那个目的。04:12in no way:决不 minibus:n.面包车(等于microbus)；小型公共汽

19、车；中客车/vi.乘中客车 loquacious:adj.饶舌的,多话的obliterate:vt.消灭;涂去;冲刷;忘掉I would aim to have more trust in the trustworthy but not inthe untrustworthy.我会说,人们应该对值得信赖的（人）更加地信任。而不是去信任不值得信赖的人。04:14In fact,I aim positively to try not to trust the untrustworthy.实际上,我所说的目的是尽量不要信任不值得信赖的人。04:20And I think,of those peopl

20、e who,for example,placed theirsavings with the very aptly named Mr.Madoff,who thenmade off with them,and I think of them,and I think,well,yes,too much trust.比如说,那些 把自己的积蓄交给那个看起来很象样的 却把他们的钱都卷走的麦道夫先生 的人,我觉得那些人呀,怎么说呢,对,太容易信任别人了。04:27More trust is not an intelligent aim in this life.过度地信任别人不是一个很明智的目的。04

21、:42Intelligently placed and intelligently refused trust is theproper aim.明智地信任和明智地选择不信任 才是正确的目的。04:46Well once one says that,one says,yeah,okay,that meansthat what matters in the first place is not trust buttrustworthiness.那么有人说,好呀,好,这不就是说最重要的 不是要去信任,而是（对方的）信誉度吗？04:52Its judging how trustworthy peop

22、le are in particularrespects.就是说要判断别人在某些方面 是否值得信任。05:02And I think that judgment requires us to look at three things.我觉得要想正确做出判断需要考虑三点。05:07Are they competent?Are they honest?Are they reliable?要看他们是否称职？是否诚实？是否可靠？05:10trustworthy:adj.可靠的;可信赖的 untrustworthy:adj.靠不住的;不能信赖的 positively:adv.肯定地;明确地;断然地apt

23、ly:adv.适宜地;适当地 Intelligently:adv.聪明地,明智地 in the first place:首先;起初 in particular:尤其,特别www.XiYuS锡育软件And if we find that a person is competent in the relevantmatters,and reliable and honest,well have a pretty goodreason to trust them,because theyll be trustworthy.如果我们觉得一个人是称职的,在他自己的领域是称职的。而且是诚实可靠的。我们就有

24、理由去相信他们,因为他们是可信赖的。05:15But if,on the other hand,theyre unreliable,we might not.但是反过来,如果他们不可靠,那我们就不能信任他们。05:26I have friends who are competent and honest,but I would nottrust them to post a letter,because theyre forgetful.我有一些诚实可靠的朋友,但我就信不着他们去帮我寄信,因为他们很健忘。05:29I have friends who are very confident th

25、ey can do certainthings,but I realize that they overestimate their owncompetence.我有些非常自信的朋友,他们很能干,但是我觉得他们有些过于自信。05:36And Im very glad to say,I dont think I have many friends当然我很高兴的是,我的朋友都是 称职可靠,又不是非常不诚实的。05:45And Im very glad to say,I dont think I have many friendswho are competent and reliable but

26、extremely dishonest.非常不诚实的。05:45(Laughter)If so,I havent yet spotted it.（笑声）（笑声）05:51But thats what were looking for:trustworthiness beforetrust.我们需要的就是:信任别人之前要看他的信誉度。05:56Trust is the response.信任是我们的反应。06:00Trustworthiness is what we have to judge.信誉度是需要我们来判断的。06:02on the other hand:另一方面 unreliable

27、:adj.不可靠的;靠不住的 forgetful:adj.健忘的;不注意的;疏忽的;使遗忘的overestimate:vt.对评价过高;对估计过高/n.估计过高;评价过高;出价过高/vi.估计过高;评价过高 competence:n.能力，胜任；权限；作证能力；足以过舒适生活的收入 dishonest:adj.不诚实的;欺诈的And,of course,its difficult.所以当然这不是容易做到的。06:04Across the last few decades,weve tried to construct systemsof accountability for all sorts

28、 of institutions andprofessionals and officials and so on that will make it easierfor us to judge their trustworthiness.过去的几十年里,我们努力地建立 各种机构里的问责制度,是否达到专业水准或者官方要求等等 这些（问责制度）使我们更容易判断（这些机构）是否有信誉。06:06A lot of these systems have the converse effect.很多机构都有这样的逆反应。06:19They dont work as theyre supposed to.

29、他们不象他们应该做的那样做事。06:23I remember I was talking with a midwife who said,Well,yousee,the problem is it takes longer to do the paperwork thanto deliver the baby.我记得和我一个助产士聊天,她说”你看看,现在的问题是我要 办个什么手续比接生一个孩子还难！“06:24And all over our public life,our institutional life,we find thatproblem,that the system of ac

30、countability that is meant tosecure trustworthiness and evidence of trustworthiness isactually doing the opposite.在我们的公共生活里,我们的机构生活里,我们发现很多问题。这些机构里的问责制度 这些能保障自己的信誉 能作为值得信任的依据的制度 往往施行起来是相反的。06:35It is distracting people who have to do difficult tasks,likemidwives,from doing them by requiring them to

31、tick theboxes,as we say.这就使人们难以专注自己的工作,比如助产士们,让他们把时间浪费在填表上。就象我刚提到的。06:50accountability:n.有义务;有责任;可说明性 professionals:n.管理专业人员(professional的复数)converse:adj.相反的,逆向的;颠倒的/vi.交谈,谈话;认识/n.逆行,逆向;倒;相反的事物/n.(Converse)人名;(英)康弗斯/n.匡威(服装品牌)midwife:n.助产士;促成因素/vt.助胎儿出生;促成 institutional:adj.制度的;制度上的/学会的;由来已久的;习以为常的/

32、公共机构的;慈善机构的tick:vt.标记号于;滴答地记录/n.滴答声;扁虱;记号;赊欠/vi.发出滴答声;标以记号You can all give your own examples there.你们其实都有这样的经历。07:00So so much for the aim.关于目的要讲的很多很多。07:02The aim,I think,is more trustworthiness,and that is going tobe different if we are trying to be trustworthy andcommunicate our trustworthiness t

33、o other people,and if weare trying to judge whether other people or office-holders orpoliticians are trustworthy.我想这个目的更重要的是对方的信誉度。那就完全不一样了。比如说我们努力去成为值得信任的人,把我们值得信任的一面展示给别人。比如说我们先判断别人,官员或者政客是否值得信任。07:04Its not easy.It is judgment,and simple reaction,attitudes,dont do adequately here.这不是容易的事。这是判断,是迅速

34、反应,是态度,在这里都讲不完。07:20Now thirdly,the task.那么第三点,关于任务。07:30Calling the task rebuilding trust,I think,also gets thingsbackwards.这个任务叫做重建信任感。这又是弄反了的。07:33It suggests that you and I should rebuild trust.这个任务建议你和我要重建信任。07:38Well,we can do that for ourselves.好吧,我们能对自己这么做,07:43We can rebuild a bit of trustw

35、orthiness.我们能重建一些自己的信誉,07:46We can do it two people together trying to improve trust.我们可以互相努力增加我们的信任。07:48But trust,in the end,is distinctive because its given by otherpeople.但关根到底,信任是很独特的。因为（信任）是来自他人的。07:52You cant rebuild what other people give you.你不可能重建别人对你的看法。07:58adequately:adv.充分地;足够地;适当地 reb

36、uilding:n.重建/v.重建;使复原(rebuild的ing形式)in the end:终于,最后You have to give them the basis for giving you their trust.你需要做出努力 让人家信任你。08:01So you have to,I think,be trustworthy.我是说,你要成为一个值得信赖的人。08:07And that,of course,is because you cant fool all of the peopleall of the time,usually.当然,这就是说你不能 在永远愚弄住所有的人,一般

37、来说。08:10But you also have to provide usable evidence that you aretrustworthy.你得提供一些有用的依据,让别人知道你是值得信赖的。08:16How to do it?应该怎么做？08:22Well every day,all over the place,its being done by ordinarypeople,by officials,by institutions,quite effectively.其实每天,在不同得地方,普通人,办公人员,各个机构都在努力（博得信任）,往往做得很有效呢。08:24Let m

38、e give you a simple commercial example.我给你举个简单的商家营销的例子,08:32The shop where I buy my socks says I may take them back,and they dont ask any questions.有个商店说（如果不满意）我可以把买的袜子退回去,他们绝不问任何问题。08:35They take them back and give me the money or give me thepair of socks of the color I wanted.他们收退货,我拿退货款。或者给我换是我喜欢

39、颜色的袜子。08:41Thats super.I trust them because they have madethemselves vulnerable to me.这很好。我信任他们。因为他们让我觉得他们是处于弱势。08:46I think theres a big lesson in that.我觉得这很有教益。08:51If you make yourself vulnerable to the other party,then thatis very good evidence that you are trustworthy and you haveconfidence in

40、what you are saying.如果对于别人,你使自己处于弱势,这就是个很好的值得信任的依据。对自己说的话就有自信。08:53socks:n.袜子(sock的复数)vulnerable:adj.易受攻击的，易受的攻击；易受伤害的；有弱点的So in the end,I think what we are aiming for is not verydifficult to discern.所以最终呢,我们的意图 就不那么难辨别了。09:03It is relationships in which people are trustworthy and canjudge when and

41、how the other person is trustworthy.人们是否值得信任是一种人和人之间的关系。我们可以判断什么时候人们是如何 值得你信任的。09:09So the moral of all this is,we need to think much less abouttrust,let alone about attitudes of trust detected or mis-detected by opinion polls,much more about beingtrustworthy,and how you give people adequate,useful

42、andsimple evidence that youre trustworthy.值得你信任的。我们要少考虑信任,更不要说对信任的态度,或者凭着民意测验来判断或者误判,让我们更关注于成为值得信赖的人。关注于如何提供恰当、有益 简单的依据让人们觉得你是可以信赖的。09:18Thanks.谢谢！09:42(Applause)（掌声）09:43discern:vt.识别;领悟,认识/vi.看清楚,辨别 much less:更不用说;不及 let alone:更不必说;听任;不打扰 detected:adj.检测到的/v.发现(detect的过去分词);检测到;侦测到 adequate:adj.充足的；适当的；胜任的*Warning:本文是由生成导出，请用于个人学习，不要用于商业用途。否则，导致的一切法律后果，均由您个人承担，锡育软件概不负责。*